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Post by chris87 on Sept 4, 2007 7:05:37 GMT 7
i've just got a shar-pai cross bull massitive. great little dog. i was just wondering if any one would know the price of this. as i got it for a case of beer
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Post by Silvercloud on Sept 4, 2007 8:42:41 GMT 7
Well I reckon you got a bargain there. I don't know exact prices but I'd think around the $300 mark. We'd love to see a pic of him.
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Post by Conure88 on Sept 4, 2007 10:24:48 GMT 7
i dont know how much they are over there, but the breeder we used to sell them for in the pet shop used to want $500-$600 for them, then we had to add our price onto that
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Post by Jen on Sept 4, 2007 21:38:24 GMT 7
 Yeah well this will probably start an argument but....lets start a cross breeding debate just for the hell of it... firstly If you only paid a carton for it then I would be asking for its vaccination papers or getting it to the vet for a check up and some shots and most definately get it wormed. If they cared enough about it to sell it for only a carton then I would doubt it's had any of these things. I would never cross two dogs such as a Shar-pei and a mastiff but then for that matter I am strictly a purebred dog person and would only ever buy a purebred. And that decision would be based on linage and temperment and by first meeting both the parents to judge their personalities for myself. I would never buy a crossbred dog for the simple reason that it is encouraging people to breed for money from any old dog without knowledge and consideration of breed or temperment. ? I would also never buy a dog from a petshop as you never know what their parents were like or anything. I have seen many dogs over the years carrying on traits such as aggression, timidness etc that is an exact replica of their parents. You don't pay $800 to mate your dog with another if you haven't checked all this out first and you certainly dont just cross anything cause its free. If I had a dog that was "got at accidently" by another of a different breed I would have the puppies aborted immediately There are some breeds that do seem to produce a desirable type of dog however the only ones I believe are acceptable crosses would be those breed for a specific reason such as crossing with a poodle because of allergy problems or such. Can anyone give me a good reason why it would be beneficial to the breed of either a shar pei or mastiff to cross it? What exactly is the type of dog they are trying to achieve by this. Yes I have have had dog breeding experience, I used to breed Dobermanns. Irresponsible cross breeding is what gives dog breeds a bad name. It really annoys me when ever there is a dog attack on a child the first reports say it was a pitbull or dobermann or german shephard when the truth comes out later in reports where you discover that 99% of the time its a cross-breed but by then the damage has been done. Finally I Must admit that unfortunately I have met too many aggressive Sharp pei's to ever want one ...pure or crossed. i used to work with dogs 8 hours a day, 6 days a week. Interestingly the other type of dogs I wouldnt trust are red-heelers (very loyal but not so good with anyone outside of their "pack" I feel) and Chihuahua's...man can those little dogs bite I am currently working on buying a dog from a good breeder and I am paying $800 for it. I will be meeting both parents and other pups from previous litters and to get the right dog I will probably have to wait another 11 months until the next litter is born. My final word, you probably did a good thing as the owners probably didnt give a rats-ass about it if they sold it for a carton but then on the other hand ... You get what you pay for.... IMAO of course PS nearly deleted this after typing it but hey everyones entitled to their own opinion and now you've got mine as well ! Cheers
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Post by silkiechick on Sept 5, 2007 8:41:38 GMT 7
i dont feel cross breds are dangerous. i believe stupid owners are dangerous, if you raise a pup the wrong way then the dog will be dangerous. i currently have 5 cross bred dogs and none have ever shown any aggression, 3 are border collie cross cattle dog, 2 are bull mastif, wolfhound cross with god knows what. these dogs are gentle and never have shown any aggression towards anything. i have never had any experience with shar peis so that one im leaving alone!
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Post by Jen on Sept 5, 2007 10:32:29 GMT 7
Yes I must admit that the owners do make all the difference. I think any breed of dog, cross or otherwise can be well tempered and gentle if raised correctly. Of course a purebred dog can be just as dangerous in the hands of the wrong owner. However I feel that irresponsible random crossbreeding without consideration of personality or temperment is just tempting fate if the dog ends up in the hands of the wrong owner. Also the facts are that a higher percentage of crossbreeds end up abandoned so what is point of producing more of them when you can go down the local pound and pick a couple up down there. A number of articles I have read claim that at least 75 % of pound dogs are cross bred. So if your not going to breed responsibly then watch this...Its not in Australia but it should make you think twice about just how many dogs are bred around the world for no good reason... www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=yadkin_countyA responsible breeder... -Will not even breed their dogs unless they have people waiting for puppies. -will know the homes and people their dogs are going to. -will not just drop them off at a petshop and let just anyone buy them. -will be a member of a canine association which controls what members are allowed to do. -will not let a biitch breed until they are about 3 years old - will not let pups be taken from their mothers until they are at least 8 weeks old -Will ensure their vaccinations etc are up to date -will take back and rehome any pup that they have bred that is not working out at its new home. There are many excellent reasons why you should buy from a registered breeder. They care for their breed and are not in it to make a quick buck. People used to say gee you sell your dogs for $800 you must make heaps of money out of that but believe me if done properley you really don't make much money out of it all. Once you take out the $800-$1000 for stud fees to ensure you use a champion dog with the best possible bloodline, you feed the pups and the mother properley with the right foods, vet checks and vaccinations etc etc you don't get much change. There are 2 and only 2 responsible reason to breed dogs...that is to improve and maintain the breed, or to create a new breed with a purpose which is how the known purebreds came about in the first place. Because people were breeding with a purpose to produce a dog with the characteristics they required. Not because someone was careless enough to let their dogs mate for no real reason |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 5, 2007 16:36:44 GMT 7
I am the opposite I would never own a purebred, I am a bitza person. I find that the crosses are always a strong pet. No genetic disorders and no inbreeding. With most of my cross breds coming from pound puppies.
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Post by Mandav on Sept 5, 2007 17:03:47 GMT 7
yeah i must say either way the its individuals choice i myself am a large fan of purebreds but i own a malty x , the reason i can understand y people go for x breds or purebreds from byb's , is because lot of reg breeders are axxxxxxes i was one , the problem i found even as a beginner was that because i live so far from the city none of the breeders in peth were interested and believe me i spoke to a fair few on the phone mainly because i was lookin for a stud dog ( which by the way never happened ), even though my partner had paid out hundreds for all the proper heritary testing e.t.c , because at the time could not make it to any shows , we were automatically labelled bybs which was far to distressing so in the end we had our girl desexed and she was then rehomed to a property ( which suited her better than bein in a backyard ) , but i must say if i ever decide to buy another dog i will be going to a reg breeder cause even though a lot of them are pig headed they know their stuff , i think its incredible the amount of money people pay for x breds , i've done it as well but never again , i think i kinda wanted to rescue her and got her for a lot less than what the lady wanted for her , before paying big bux for a pup make sure all the nessary are done , it will end up saving u in the future
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Post by chris87 on Sept 5, 2007 17:29:47 GMT 7
you are all right and wrong in one way or another you can not say that only cross bred dogs are aggressive have a look on the news last week a 12 week old baby eaten by the family dog. in it's own cot. now i'm a ferm beliver that it's the owner that makes the dog silkie's can be right little s***'s. and aggresive. i had a pure breed red nose pit bull befor and she was a great dog she would run straight up to you and lay down wanting her tummy rubed. what i'm saying is that no matter what type of dog you own it's how you bring the dog up that makes it the way it is. but then again we have to remeber that it is a K9 we're talking about and any dog can snap and change at any time ther dog's it's in their nature
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Post by Mandav on Sept 6, 2007 8:11:32 GMT 7
the baby wasn't 12 weeks old she was 2 weeks old, re : kate and obi , and she wasn't mauled she was dragged from her cot and died in hospital from her injuries , the dog was not vicious
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Post by chris87 on Sept 6, 2007 13:18:05 GMT 7
the baby wasn't 12 weeks old she was 2 weeks old, re : kate and obi , and she wasn't mauled she was dragged from her cot and died in hospital from her injuries , the dog was not vicious are you being searious. ok it didn't maul it but it dragged the child out of the cot and the child died from it's INJURIES what was the dog just wanting to play fetch. if the dog was not aggresive the child would not have had any injuries. are you thick or some thing you said it your self the child died from the injuries. what did the baby injure it's self or did the dog injure it?  ?? i cant belive what your saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Jen on Sept 6, 2007 13:32:40 GMT 7
but then again we have to remeber that it is a K9 we're talking about and any dog can snap and change at any time ther dog's it's in their nature Huh? I would have bet a million dollars on the stability of my last 3 Dobermanns. I have seen kids sit and jump on them when they were asleep, poke them in the eye really hard, twist their nose, drag them to the ground and drag them around by the ears and In each of their 12+ years I never even heard them growl at a child. When Ashka had 12 puppies she would let a six year old and an 8 year old climb into her whelping box and play with the one week old puppies again without even a growl. None of my dogs have ever even been in a dog fight. They used to particularly love little dogs and liked to rest their heads on them. I have had a couple of maltese dogs actually hanging off their noses by their teeth and again not even a growl. They just used to walk away or put up with it. So no I don't think just ANY dog would snap. I think mine were tested to the limit many times and passed with flying colours. |
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Post by Jen on Sept 6, 2007 13:42:42 GMT 7
the baby wasn't 12 weeks old she was 2 weeks old, re : kate and obi , and she wasn't mauled she was dragged from her cot and died in hospital from her injuries , the dog was not vicious Unfortunately all the news reports used the word mauled and attacked a number of times so I guess unless you have inside information as it sounds like you may that one should be forgiven for thinking the dog did do these things. I thought it was interesting when I read this... "The dog had returned to the family's Willetton home only hours before, after being kept at a relative's house during the infant's first week at home. " It makes you wonder if they were concerned about how the dog would react to the new baby taking over its place in "the pack" |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 6, 2007 14:48:25 GMT 7
Jen my rotti cross staffy is excatly the same with kids, I have no doubt in my mind she would ever do anything to hurt a child. Our 4 year old cousin and my 10 month old climb all over her, try to ride her, pull her tail, bite her, pinch her and pretty much everything else and she just sits there and occasionally licks them. I think she just loves the attention. I even trust her with my baby birds, Herbie my eckie climbs all over her and bites her and she just sits there. Baby birds fly on her all the time and she doesn't care at all.
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Post by silkiechick on Sept 6, 2007 16:16:18 GMT 7
it just goes to show that if you raise a dog a right then the likely hood of it becoming aggresive is severly decreased, even if it was breed to be aggresive like my pig dogs.
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