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Post by Amanda on Jan 5, 2006 15:17:56 GMT 7
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Post by fox on Jan 6, 2006 15:01:02 GMT 7
what are the parents. i would have to say for now that you have a lutino cock. a lutino opaline in general doesn't have red rump, just like a opaline cock bird doesn't always have a red rump. i would say that the extra red is just that, nothing extra, it's just there. hope this helps you out.
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Post by Amanda on Jan 6, 2006 15:59:19 GMT 7
Thanks Fox. Dad is normal /lutino/blue mum is a lutino but you just don't know her heritage
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Post by Peter on Jan 7, 2006 5:13:15 GMT 7
Sorry amanda, if that is mum and dad, it can not be opaline. As opaline is sex linked, mum MUST be opaline and dad MUST be at least split to opaline for a male baby to be opaline. Only males can be split to sex-linked colours, not females (ie opaline, cinnamon, lutino etc). I wonder why your bird has those feathers though
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Post by Amanda on Jan 7, 2006 7:37:40 GMT 7
EXACTLY!!!!! that's why I posted about him.....it has me baffled!
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Post by fox on Jan 7, 2006 12:27:53 GMT 7
that feather is just probably a random feather or two. don't forget that a bird that isn't the natural wild colour is a mutation. every so often you will notice that some birds will end up with a feather that is out of place. take the opaline male grassie, there isn't a set amount of red in anyone bird, its just a lottery.
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Post by AussieBirds on Jan 7, 2006 16:33:21 GMT 7
You have a lutino cockbird there Amanda and from the looks of it it is split to opaline, thats why the splashes of red in other places on the bird. What colours were the rest of the clutch out of the nest? Just an interesting point here I have an Opaline Cockbird that is paired up with a normal hen and they breed every year, she throws a Lutino baby every clutch and at least one Opaline hen any cockbirds are always split to Opaline.
John
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Post by AussieBirds on Jan 7, 2006 16:55:01 GMT 7
I almost forgot I had this picture Amanda this bird is an Opaline/ Lutino and Peter it is Lutino that is sex linked in red rumps not Opaline mate. John
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Post by oaklee on Jan 7, 2006 18:13:18 GMT 7
sorry aussie john but peter is right. there are alot of sex linked mutations in red rumps. they are lutino , opaline , cinnamon , platinum , and lime. the only 2 mutations that are recessive in red rumps are blue and pied. all the rest are sex linked. in regards to the photo the cock looks like a lutino opaline to me as he looks like he has red eyes from that photo.
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Post by Amanda on Jan 8, 2006 6:52:51 GMT 7
Ok the other baby..the younger is a normal cock. My baby up there ^ does have red eyes and is going thru a moult so if more feathers come up I'll let you all know. It's a real tough one mainly because I don't know the mothers background and well, lets face it, dad really could be anything I was just told by the person I bought him from that he was normal/lutino/blue.... it could be any combination!
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Post by fox on Jan 8, 2006 10:28:12 GMT 7
it will depend on what you want to breed from this bird, if it were me i would go for gold. just to let you know you can't breed any other colour from this bird besides more lutinos. i would try and get either a platinum/blue or blue platinum. since the cock bird is possible split blue you can try and prove if it is. these will be the combinations. cocks hens = lutino/ poss blue x platinum/blue lutino platinum lutino lutino platinum/blue lutino/blue if cock is split blue albino platinum albino
and = lutino/ poss blue x blue platinum lutino platinum/blue lutino/blue if cock is split blue albino platinum albino
for between 100-200 dollars you can start to breed some interesting colour combinations that will help you in further years in developing your breeding program. i hope this helps you out. i'm pritty sure these are the right combinations, and if you need some further help then just let me know.
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Post by AussieBirds on Jan 8, 2006 11:18:18 GMT 7
Hey Matt (oaklee) thats why your the expert and I am just a armature ;D. I have just today bought a nice pied hen to go with my Lutino cockbird so I know have all unrelated pairs in the aviary and I have also got rid of most of my cockatiels so next season I am looking forward to a bumper season with the red rumps.
John
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Post by Amanda on Jan 8, 2006 12:21:38 GMT 7
Oh Fox I already knew I was going to pair him up with a blue mutation I'm after the albino's....More birds for me to keep hahaha. I just have to build more aviaries and save my pennies for a girl.
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Post by Peter on Jan 8, 2006 17:42:53 GMT 7
aren't red rumps great!
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Post by oaklee on Jan 9, 2006 2:20:02 GMT 7
aussie john i would not put a pied hen with a lutino cock. all you will get from this pairing are lutino / pied hens and normal / lutino / pied cocks. and if you are trying to breed a lutino pied in the long term, it doesn`t work because the lutino is a dilute and you can not see the pied markings on them. you need to put a lutino opaline hen or a lime or platinum hen to him you will get lutino hens and cocks, cocks will be split opaline or with a lime or platinum you will get lutino hens and lutino lime or lutino platinum cocks. the lime and platinum connect to lutino in the cock birds with red rumps to breed double mutations. hope this helps you john.
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