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Post by Amanda on Jun 20, 2006 7:06:33 GMT 7
But Peter.... you must understand, the idiots that introduced it way back in the 19 somethings (I think it was the 20's) HAVE ALL DIED!!!!!
They have children...........lol
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Post by Silvercloud on Jun 20, 2006 9:55:55 GMT 7
They had a great piece on the news last night about the Toad Detention Centre in Darwim where you get a free beer when you bring them in a toad which they euthanise.
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Post by Amanda on Jun 20, 2006 10:24:42 GMT 7
"euthanise"
LMFAO! The injection would cost more than the beer!!!!!
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2006 12:33:56 GMT 7
"UTHANISE" is a term which can also involve a bullet, bottom of a foot, freezer or any other method to put an animal down.
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2006 12:35:31 GMT 7
at uni, they actually bring some in live, and sedate them, and students cut them up while they are still alive, so you can see all the organs working. The feel nothing, and are put down after. The remove one front leg from ea toad, so that none get lost along the way and the can match the number of legs to bodies
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Post by Silvercloud on Jun 20, 2006 13:37:06 GMT 7
I think they're also doing research at this 'detention centre' to find ways of eradicating them.
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2006 13:51:21 GMT 7
I know that they had a comp for school kids to design traps to catch em. They came up with some really great ideas.
I know one was solar powered, and had a light that came on at night, and attracted insects, and in turn attracted the toads, who jumped up to get the insects and fell in a trap door. and another played the mating call, with similar outcome. They were catching something like 20 to 60 toads a night. So that was pretty cool i thought.
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Post by holly on Jun 20, 2006 14:04:13 GMT 7
at uni, they actually bring some in live, and sedate them, and students cut them up while they are still alive, so you can see all the organs working. The feel nothing, and are put down after. The remove one front leg from ea toad, so that none get lost along the way and the can match the number of legs to bodies No matter how gross they are thats discusting! i dont agree with that at all, its cruelty!
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2006 14:53:31 GMT 7
They are sedated the entire time, and would be put down otherwise. It goes through MANY ethical groups before it is approved. I suppose the way they figure it, that you have to learn how animals work while they are alive, and better on a terrible pest rather than a dog or a cat, or similar
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Post by holly on Jun 20, 2006 15:31:22 GMT 7
either way its still a living thing! you wouldn't want sum1 2 chop up one of ur animals while its still alive! just coz there evolution turned out that way still don't mean they should chop them up while there alive, cut off there legs and once ur done torturing them kill them!!!
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Post by Peter on Jun 21, 2006 6:35:10 GMT 7
If my animal was going to die anyway, AND it would feel NO pain at all while it was been disected (as it is sedated and the put down afterwards) AND was providing education and information to help with the treatment and care of other animals, then yes, I would not mind. The people who conduct these labs at uni demand complete respect and understanding fot what ever it is we disect, be it dead or alive, and they only use creatyres who have died naturally (like still born piglets) or who are going to be destroyed anyway for whatever reason (like the cane toad being a terribly destructive creature who is the cause of 1000's of deaths of both pets and native animals a year). Worst of all are the greyhounds the breeders/ trainers/ racers bring in to be put down as they are 4 yrs old, and can no longer race. Healthy happy dogs. They get enough every year so that there is one between 2 students. Now THAT is sad
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Post by Natenla on Jun 21, 2006 9:46:05 GMT 7
Yes that is sad, poor dogs deserve better life than that! It does sound mean what is being done for research with the toads but really when you think about it, its going to help in the long run. And as Peter said it is done in a way that they dont feel anything, Like if you had to sedate a dog to remove (amputate) its leg after an accident or illness or similar, the only difference is the toad gets put to sleep before it can wake up to feel any pain. And these horrid creatures are killed by many people in a much crueler way than this in backyards ect!! I have heard putting salt on thier backs kills them? I dont know myself, never done it.
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Post by holly on Jun 21, 2006 11:11:41 GMT 7
i agree with wot ur saying about how people do worse and i do agree with this a hell of alot more then ppl smashing there heads in and woteva els, but either way i still dont like the idea of it sumhow, i dont mind so much wen there already dead but the thort of chopping them up while there alive just sounds kinda cruel 2 me. And peter im sure u would but i would NEVA let any chop up my pets no matter wot! dead or alive!
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Post by Matt on Jun 21, 2006 14:41:58 GMT 7
I do not care how these toads are killed I just think they should be stopped no matter what. If we do have them invading the southern half of WA we can say goodbye to all CALM's fox baiting efforts as the chudich will become locally extinct wherever the toad occupies and other small marsupial carnivores will disappear forever, in the Northern Territory wherever the toad moves the local Northan Quoll is extinct within a matter of weeks. Local animals are not given enough time to adapt to the toad as it invades in population explosions hick decimate local fauna. It will be a sad day when they cross that WA boarder.
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Post by Peter on Jun 22, 2006 8:58:55 GMT 7
i agree with wot ur saying about how people do worse and i do agree with this a hell of alot more then ppl smashing there heads in and woteva els, but either way i still dont like the idea of it sumhow, i dont mind so much wen there already dead but the thort of chopping them up while there alive just sounds kinda cruel 2 me. And peter im sure u would but i would NEVA let any chop up my pets no matter wot! dead or alive! Thats fine, and your are more than entitled to that opinion. I personally am a blood donor, and an organ doner when I die. And without being cruel to a creature, I don't see how donating it's body to sience could be bad. however, if you are apposed to treatment of animals like this, then you better stop drinking milk (Have you thought about why a cow produces milk? for it's baby, what happens to the baby. It is taken from the mum so farmers can collect the milk, and when the price of cow meat is low, the babies are put litterally, straight through a mince machine for blood and bone), eating eggs (dont get me started on batery hens or the so called "free range" hens in commercial laying facilities), Going to the vet or doctors when you or your pet is sick (you think cutting up a one of the most terrible pests in Aust. is bad, you don't want to know what vets and doctors cut up later in their degree), eating meat alll together, byuing woolin clothing/ugboots or ANY animal product for that matter. Please do not take this as a personal attack, I just find it increddibly nieave for people to get all upset about the treatment of animals, when they seem to accept and allow it in everyday life. If you choose to do the things I mentioned above, then you should seriously think twice about the process in which those "products" are obtained. and then seriously think about the people that do that for a living. I know that at least 95% of them do not treat the animals in that way for fun. And most don't enjoy it in the slightest. But they have to do it day in and day out, for those who do not understand and appreciate the proccess to complain about it, even though they still support it.
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