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Post by Mandav on Sept 6, 2007 16:16:32 GMT 7
the baby wasn't 12 weeks old she was 2 weeks old, re : kate and obi , and she wasn't mauled she was dragged from her cot and died in hospital from her injuries , the dog was not vicious Unfortunately all the news reports used the word mauled and attacked a number of times so I guess unless you have inside information as it sounds like you may that one should be forgiven for thinking the dog did do these things. I thought it was interesting when I read this... "The dog had returned to the family's Willetton home only hours before, after being kept at a relative's house during the infant's first week at home. " It makes you wonder if they were concerned about how the dog would react to the new baby taking over its place in "the pack" the baby was also my cousins niece , obi had only been away from the house for about a week , other than that he was a very muchly loved family pet , so yeah u could say i have inside info
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Post by Conure88 on Sept 6, 2007 21:08:12 GMT 7
ok, everyone take a breather everyone in here sounds like there getting a bit anoyed with each other. And nat, not everyone knows the story so were only going by what we hear so dont stress
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Post by chris87 on Sept 7, 2007 4:00:44 GMT 7
i can't belive some of you. now every one aggee's that the baby was injuried. yes. now lets look at it if the dog didn't do those injurie's. look's like we've got a clear cut case of murder. i mean some off you not saying any names are actualy saying the dog didn't show any aggression. if the dog wasn't showing aggression at the time they would still have there baby. so it's either the dog or the parrents and if wasn't the dog. it's some the cops are going to have to look into because some one or some thing injuried that child and left it die. now my second thing about how any dog can snap at any time fair enough one of the ladys said that her dog was pushed to it's limets. now a dog has it's own mind just like humans. my father was a dorrman in sydney(mt druit). he was trained to put up with all the crap that comes with that job i watch as a young boy while my father had a glass of beer smashed over his head, he keept his cool because it's his job and he was trained to. but another door man that started just a few months ago. had a few words with a drunk in the pub.the drunk gave him a bit of lip the door man layed him out in one punch. what i'm saying dogs have a mind if there own some dogs may never snap others in a week you just never know. no know one knows what a dog is thinking. yeah you may know when it's hunggry but you have no idea was going on in side it's head.
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Post by Mandav on Sept 7, 2007 7:14:27 GMT 7
huh , yeah i agree it went from a simple question to people gettin uppy , but i'm sorry i will keep my stand about kate and obi , seeming as i'm the only one that knows the family and dog involved leave it at that otherwise i will find myself getting nasty , chris87 kate died from injuries sustained to her head and body after obi was found draggin her from her cot it was 10pm obi was spose to be outside to this day their still not sure how he got in , all tanya remembers if hearing kate screaming and a growl by the time they got there it was basically to late , obi thought she was a new toy , they had been slowly introduced , friends and family of tanya and mike have now packed the house up for them and pout it all in storage until they find another rental and their staying with tanya's sister ,anyhow how'd this turn into a post about kate and obi i've said my piece now leave them be
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Post by Jen on Sept 7, 2007 9:27:27 GMT 7
I agree, lets just forget about it. I Knew I should never replied to that first post but it got my back up that someone would flog a pup off for a carton of beer. Not because the person buying it was wrong just that the pups were obviously so value-less that they should never have been concieved in the first place.
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Post by Peter on Sept 7, 2007 10:06:27 GMT 7
Hey Everyone! This forum is all up for a decent debate! But remember to keep it clean, and that people have opinions that may differ from your own! It is not up to any one person to try and put someone down for having an opinion, you do not have to adopt anothers, but you can still share yours if it isn't getting nasty! Jen, dont apologise for sharing your opinion, thats what this forum is about, so never hold back....just keep it clean :0
That said! I am not missing out on this one...Here is my opinion!
Dogs are animals (like us), and like all animals have basic instinct that is built into their genetic structure and determines how they act to some extent (like us, do you trust every human?). The domestic dog has been bred from wild carnivorous animals, who have evolved to to survive by hunting and eating meat. This instinct is part of their survival and is within its make up. No matter the dog, this will always be in it from a pup to some extent! You can, however, train a dog to not rely on these instincts as much, which is where the owners training and care comes in and is the major factor of determining the dogs temperment.
This leads me on to the debate about breeding pure breeds of dogs. When you look at any breed of dog you must remember that going back many years, many many of them were not bred as pets! Blue heelers were bred as cattle dogs, so dogs were selected for breeding not on looks, but abilities to round up cattle, hence most heelers will be ankle nippers, and behaviour bred into the instinct for moving cattle. Rotties, dobormen (spelling) etc were bred as gaurd dogs, tough dogs, so are protective and more aggressive when compared to other breds (yes I know there are exceptions with those who have had proper training), you have hunting dogs, shep dogs, lap dogs, fighting dogs......all bred for different reasons to serve a different purpose. This selective breeding took place over thousands of years, so a few years of selective breeding to change a breed to become less agressive would yeild little change in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately with line breeding, when you breed desired characteristics into the dog, more often than not other charateristics are bred into them that are disadvantagous to the dog and its health. Ie german shepards will almost always have pelvic problems, heelers will lose eye sight as they get older, cancers and many other problems occor in pure breeds. So coming from a vet point of view, cross breds and healthier and can often be a better dog.
My olds used to bred stud heelers, but since then we have had all pound puppies who have all been cross bred. We have never had a problem with any of them. They have all been great with kids, and I put that down to our training. I have no doubt they could be worse with out training. We have had some trouble with some of our dogs killing some of our small animals, we try to train them against it, but unfortunately it still comes down to basic instinct of hunting small easy prey and would take alot more training which we unfortunately havent givin. It is so very sad about the poor little baby, but in a dogs eyes, instinct would kick in to tell the dog to "play" with the small moving creature who doesnt look like a human to it yet laying on the bed, for the same reasons, I would never leave our dogs with a baby alone, or with any of our small animals. I accept they are animals and will act as so.
summed up, pure breds can be just as bad as cross, it is based on training. I lprefer crosses on a health basis, and see apsolutly no problem with where the dog comes from (I got sheila for free from the quoka from a dump, and she is a cross bred that is a great dog!), I do disagree with irresponsible breeding as there are many unwanted and homeless dogs out there. Animals are animals, and we should not try tro hard to see them as something else.
Wow that was an essay!
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Post by Peter on Sept 7, 2007 10:11:14 GMT 7
And dont forget that ALL "pure breeds" have come from crossing dogs many years ago, and then using an incestuious breeding program to breed the desired dog. The hybrid dog came first, and has always been around, pure breds were bred from them, so the crosses have always had the traights in their genetic makeup that have made up the pure bred.
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Post by Mandav on Sept 7, 2007 10:43:25 GMT 7
well said pete and jen
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Post by silkiechick on Sept 7, 2007 13:08:16 GMT 7
GO PETER!!!! i agree
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Post by Peter on Sept 7, 2007 13:53:16 GMT 7
I love using things I have learned at uni.....Makes me feel smarter than I am lol
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Post by silkiechick on Sept 7, 2007 14:44:18 GMT 7
lol well you must be smart if you can remember them. i know i cant remember half the stuff i learnt!
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Post by Jen on Sept 7, 2007 19:55:43 GMT 7
And dont forget that ALL "pure breeds" have come from crossing dogs many years ago, and then using an incestuious breeding program to breed the desired dog. The hybrid dog came first, and has always been around, pure breds were bred from them, so the crosses have always had the traights in their genetic makeup that have made up the pure bred. yep I agree, the pure breds did all come from cross breeding which brings me back to having to re-stress that these dogs were all bred "For a purpose" and not random crossing of two dogs. And that is the main point of my argument. ;D and Peter that has to be the worst spelling of DOBERMANN I have EVER seen!!! and you a uni student and all. Shame on you
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Post by Conure88 on Sept 10, 2007 10:03:30 GMT 7
lol thank god! peter you did it! i was scared to come on here coz ppl were getting a bit hostile! but you said it perfectly! well done!
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